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	<title>Comments on: Uh, whatever, Apple.</title>
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	<description>hmmm... what?</description>
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		<title>By: Keilaron</title>
		<link>http://spoken-for.org/archives/2008/03/21/2113/comment-page-1/#comment-502711</link>
		<dc:creator>Keilaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a good point! I don&#039;t think any auto-update system provides a summary of what it&#039;s done, which is rather unfortunate. If anything, they say something like &quot;Your browser is now MORE SECURE!!11!!1!&quot;.
Yeah, okay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a good point! I don&#8217;t think any auto-update system provides a summary of what it&#8217;s done, which is rather unfortunate. If anything, they say something like &#8220;Your browser is now MORE SECURE!!11!!1!&#8221;.<br />
Yeah, okay.</p>
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		<title>By: Val</title>
		<link>http://spoken-for.org/archives/2008/03/21/2113/comment-page-1/#comment-502554</link>
		<dc:creator>Val</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 22:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm well for Vista, you just have to right click the update and pick view details.  It tells you a bit and then I think there&#039;s a link for extensive info.

Of course, if you&#039;re someone who auto gets the updates in the background, that won&#039;t matter.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm well for Vista, you just have to right click the update and pick view details.  It tells you a bit and then I think there&#8217;s a link for extensive info.</p>
<p>Of course, if you&#8217;re someone who auto gets the updates in the background, that won&#8217;t matter.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Keilaron</title>
		<link>http://spoken-for.org/archives/2008/03/21/2113/comment-page-1/#comment-498675</link>
		<dc:creator>Keilaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In that case, I&#039;d wager there wasn&#039;t much of a problem if you didn&#039;t notice any ill effects ;) Of course, that depends on how long you kept it that way.

I&#039;m not sure about Vista, but for XP you have to click their link, hope that it&#039;s still functional (some cease to work for some reason, and you have to manually look up the KB article using the ID that is in the &quot;description&quot; of the patch), and sometimes have to figure out what the hell they&#039;re saying in the resulting bulletin.
Fx and TB do tell you, but it&#039;s similar; You have to click on the link, scroll do where there&#039;s a link about the security fixes, and you get a list of what&#039;s been fixed. You then have to read the bulletins (which are generally easy to understand, though just as vague as the Microsoft ones half the time) to know what&#039;s been fixed... but they only are particularly verbose about the security fixes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In that case, I&#8217;d wager there wasn&#8217;t much of a problem if you didn&#8217;t notice any ill effects ;) Of course, that depends on how long you kept it that way.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure about Vista, but for XP you have to click their link, hope that it&#8217;s still functional (some cease to work for some reason, and you have to manually look up the KB article using the ID that is in the &#8220;description&#8221; of the patch), and sometimes have to figure out what the hell they&#8217;re saying in the resulting bulletin.<br />
Fx and TB do tell you, but it&#8217;s similar; You have to click on the link, scroll do where there&#8217;s a link about the security fixes, and you get a list of what&#8217;s been fixed. You then have to read the bulletins (which are generally easy to understand, though just as vague as the Microsoft ones half the time) to know what&#8217;s been fixed&#8230; but they only are particularly verbose about the security fixes.</p>
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		<title>By: Val</title>
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		<dc:creator>Val</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what?  Haha, I don&#039;t even remember!  I had to reformat the laptop not long ago and forgot all about it.  I just uninstalled it.  I don&#039;t think there&#039;s any ill effects though, it didn&#039;t even freak with me uninstalling it (didn&#039;t keep asking are you sure, but you really want this, etc.)

But you&#039;re right of course, most don&#039;t tell you.  Vista kinda tells you -- if you actually look, that is.  It will say security update or whatever and you can get more info.  But things like Firefox and Thunderbird, I don&#039;t think they tell you what the update is??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what?  Haha, I don&#8217;t even remember!  I had to reformat the laptop not long ago and forgot all about it.  I just uninstalled it.  I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any ill effects though, it didn&#8217;t even freak with me uninstalling it (didn&#8217;t keep asking are you sure, but you really want this, etc.)</p>
<p>But you&#8217;re right of course, most don&#8217;t tell you.  Vista kinda tells you &#8212; if you actually look, that is.  It will say security update or whatever and you can get more info.  But things like Firefox and Thunderbird, I don&#8217;t think they tell you what the update is??</p>
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		<title>By: Keilaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keilaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Val: Sadly, a fair amount of updaters don&#039;t really tell you what the issue is or, if they do, don&#039;t bother to summarize it (And you usually have to click a link or two, get to the security bulletin, wade through the cruft, and then digest the Big Words to get to some simple conclusion like &quot;Oh, if you visit a site with a malformed image, it might crash your browser.&quot;. Why can&#039;t they just SAY that?).
I have to admit, though, that I don&#039;t use Apple software so I don&#039;t know how it&#039;ll react to the updater being un-installed (likely nothing since it appeared to be completely separate from the apps as well as the core, but still). Did you notice any ill effects?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Val: Sadly, a fair amount of updaters don&#8217;t really tell you what the issue is or, if they do, don&#8217;t bother to summarize it (And you usually have to click a link or two, get to the security bulletin, wade through the cruft, and then digest the Big Words to get to some simple conclusion like &#8220;Oh, if you visit a site with a malformed image, it might crash your browser.&#8221;. Why can&#8217;t they just SAY that?).<br />
I have to admit, though, that I don&#8217;t use Apple software so I don&#8217;t know how it&#8217;ll react to the updater being un-installed (likely nothing since it appeared to be completely separate from the apps as well as the core, but still). Did you notice any ill effects?</p>
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		<title>By: Val</title>
		<link>http://spoken-for.org/archives/2008/03/21/2113/comment-page-1/#comment-463932</link>
		<dc:creator>Val</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keilaron -- yes, iTunes and Quicktime, but not Safari.
I don&#039;t always update right away, either, but I never bothered to uninstall the updater, I figured it was core and had to stay.  I&#039;ll give that a try, thanks.  (Also, I don&#039;t think the updater tells you what kind of updates it wants to make, just to which programs, so I can&#039;t know if they are security issues or not.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keilaron &#8212; yes, iTunes and Quicktime, but not Safari.<br />
I don&#8217;t always update right away, either, but I never bothered to uninstall the updater, I figured it was core and had to stay.  I&#8217;ll give that a try, thanks.  (Also, I don&#8217;t think the updater tells you what kind of updates it wants to make, just to which programs, so I can&#8217;t know if they are security issues or not.)</p>
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